Yesterday, I hopped into my car to take a drive to Goodwill for some Halloween costume parts when I noticed that my car's battery was dead. Very, very dead.
I really don't drive that often. In fact, I didn't really realize how little I drive my car until I tried to start it yesterday. Turns out, I haven't sat in the driver seat since before I left for China. A week before in fact. I'm coming up on two months now of non-driving. On top of that, I had apparently left the cabin light on the entire time, so it's not much of a surprise that the battery didn't make it.
The smart thing to do in this kind of situation is to get someone to help you jump-start your car, but there are rarely other people in my parking garage, and that's too boring anyway. I ended up removing the battery from the car and charging it on my own.
Unfortunately, I wasn't really anticipating this project turning into a blog post, so I don't have too many pictures or other documentation. This is a very text-heavy post.
Car batteries can put out a metric crap load of current. We're talking like 60-70 Amperes easily. This amount of energy can be extremely dangerous if not handled correctly. I hope that you learn a thing or two from this post, but I do not advocate that anyone attempt what I tried in this post. If it makes you feel any better, following this guide will only fix your battery enough to drive you to Pep Boys so you can recycle your permanently damaged car battery and replace it with a new one. It's probably not worth your time to follow my steps.
So, right. When I went out to start my car, it was dead. I mean DEAD. I might as well have had the battery disconnected. Grabbing my voltmeter, I measured 0.16V across the terminals. This is a pretty bad sign. Regardless of the chemistry, once most batteries are fully discharged, they are permanently damaged.
I promptly removed the battery and brought it up to my apartment.
WIthout doing too much research before hand, I knew that I would need to dump quite a bit of current into the battery to bring it back to life. I knew from my work with Li-ion cells (and just about any sort of electric energy storage technology), that this battery was going to suck up a lot of current at the beginning and then take progressively less until it was fully charged.
You can model most batteries as a voltage source in series with an internal resistance. Car batteries have very low internal resistances, and dumping 12V across this was bound to reach very high currents.
Ideally, I would have plugged the battery into some sort of constant-current charger that would maintain a 2 or 4 Amp charge, but I wasn't about to spend $40 on a tool that I was only going to use one especially considering that I'm an electrical engineer.
Instead, I reached for the next best thing:
This is the circuit I used to control my windshield wipers for my beat-tracking windshield wiper project. Although I don't know exactly how many Amps of current it can deliver, I clocked it at 11.2, and it seemed to do just fine:
Where I lit my desk on fire using the lead out of a #2 pencil.
This power supply is a simple push-pull driver that can be used to drive a buck converter or electric motor.
I'm just realizing as I write this that a push-pull driver is a supremely bad thing to use on a car battery because when the driver goes into "pull" mode, it's shorting the battery to ground. That might explain why my circuit board got pretty warm in the process. It's possible that the parasitic capacitance of the battery helped to iron out the voltage ripple and provide me with decent DC. I didn't take any measurements of the ripple current, so I won't know for sure.
By the way, did you read my disclaimer above?
I used the 12V rail of a 200W ATX power supply to power the wiper driver. Its 12V rail is rated for 17A DC current, so it's more than enough to charge a battery under controlled conditions.
My apartment gets kind of messy on the weekends...
With the wiper driver connected, I began to slowly ramp up the voltage:
I wasn't so much concerned about the voltage as I was the current. My goal here was to keep the current going into the battery under a safe threshold. I arbitrarily chose 4A and started to turn the wiper driver up higher.
I couldn't help but notice that the higher current came with a higher voltage. I reasoned that more current flowing into the battery increased the voltage drop across the internal resistance. Because the current was flowing into the voltage source of the battery, this voltage drop is added to the voltage source to produce the voltage that I read.
Leaving this setup alone for a while, I noticed that (as expected) the voltage across the terminals rose as the current through the battery sank. Eventually, I was at the maximum duty cycle of the wiper motor, so I left it for a few hours.
My reasoning at this time was that I knew car batteries have a nominal voltage somewhere around 12V, so at 10.52V, I was getting close:
Growing impatient, I decided to try to start the car.
I dragged the car battery back out to the parking garage and installed it in my car. I was underwhelmed with the results. In addition to the car not starting, the battery voltage plummeted down to about 1.5V as soon as I connected it. It seemed as though the battery couldn't even power the on board electronics.
Disappointed, I brought the battery upstairs and took some measurements. I noticed that while I was nearing 11V with the charger connected, the actual open-circuit voltage of the battery was something around 9V. It dropped even lower of course with a load.
Reasoning that I was already working at the maximum output of the wiper driver and the current was still under my "safe" threshold, I removed the wiper driver and connected the battery to the ATX power supply directly.
The voltage continued to climb and the current continued to sink. I figured that eventually the current would drop to zero at which point the voltage drop across the battery's internal resistance would also be zero, and the battery voltage would be steady at 12V.
As the current dropped to around 900mA, I posted this on reddit and got some helpful replies. One user linked me to a helpful PDF which contained the following graph:
This seemed to confirm everything I had seen up to this point. The higher the charging rate, the higher the battery voltage, and the "rest" or open circuit voltage of the battery was much lower than the charge level. It seemed that as the charging rate dropped, the voltage approached the rest level. This fell in line with my theory that the current would reach zero and the voltage would reach 12V after enough time had elapsed.
Also, at around 9V of rest voltage, my battery was well under 10% of capacity. This explains why it didn't do much of anything when I tried to use it before.
The reddit thread also pointed out that the battery was pretty much hosed at this point. There are a number of lead-acid batteries that can handle a deep discharge such as those used in electric golf carts or fishing trawlers. These are called "deep-cycle" batteries. Car batteries are not deep-cycle batteries, and a lot of chemical reactions take place when they enter deep discharge which will permanently damage them.
I got the impression from the thread that I might be able to bring the battery back long enough to drive to the store to buy a new one, but there would be no saving this battery. So we're talking less Beetlejuice resurrection and more A.I.
As time wore on, I noticed that my current had fallen to 600mA, but the rest voltage was still under 11V. If I was going to charge this battery up in any reasonable amount of time, I was going to need a higher voltage rail. Most battery chargers (such as an alternator) use a 14-15V rail. Where was I going to get one of those?
I scoured my apartment for a 15V DC power supply, but came up short. Then I started to look for lower-voltage isolated DC power supplies that I could potentially run in series with my 12V ATX rail.
I came up with a 9V transformer that I had ripped out of a DC wall wart. I had previously tried to turn this transformer into an EL wire transformer by removing turns from its secondary winding and using the secondary as the primary. It...didn't work. You might also recognize it from its use in my 60 Hz post.
Having removed some of the windings, I ended up with a 3V AC transformer. I used that along with a few diodes arranged as a full-bridge rectifier to create this:
Allow me to remind you of that disclaimer...
I also added a big capacitor in parallel with the output to help iron it out a bit. What's funny is that this was actually the capacitor that I had ripped out of the wall-wart to begin with.
Because the secondary winding of this transformer was in no way tied to ground, it could act as a floating voltage source and be added in series to my 12V rail. This quickly made the current into the battery sky rocket up to 1.6A from 600mA.
My little 3V transformer was never meant for this kind of load, so its magnetic core quickly saturated, and its output sagged down to .5V or so. The core's saturation along with what I can assume was a lot of current on both turns of the transformer caused it to heat up quite a bit. It never got hot enough to be dangerous, but just to be safe, I added some active cooling:
What's possibly a positive outcome of the core's saturation its its self-regulatory effect. As the battery voltage rose, the current into the battery dropped. Less current means less sag on the transformer. Less sag on the transformer means a higher overall voltage supplied to the battery. This sort of acted like a feedback loop similar to what I found in my EL wire power supplies.
Regardless, this meant that my battery was charging at a speedy 1.5A or so. I let it charge into the night and slept next to it so I could be there to wake up screaming when it set fire to my apartment (also, having only one room, I sleep next to basically everything in my apartment).
When I awoke, I took a measurement:
And when the power source was removed:
So with a rest voltage of 11.8, I was registering around 20% on the battery capacity chart. I figured this was good enough and stopped charging. Regardless, I wasn't about to leave this thing plugged in while I was at work.
A Short Lease on Life
I connected the battery to the car and watched the cabin light come on immediately (this is when I found out how the battery died). Measuring the voltage on the terminals, I got 11.6V.
Perhaps a little anti-clamactically, the battery worked like a charm and started up my car instantly on the first try:
After letting the car idle for 10 minutes or so, I immediately drove it to Pep Boys and got a replacement battery. It ran me $100.
So yes, that was quite a bit of work to put into a battery that I ended up recycling, but I did save myself the $40 it would have cost for a battery charger that I would have used a single time.
I also learned quite a bit about lead acid battery chemistry and charging profiles, and I hope you did too.
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The other way batteries like this fail is the compound (lead sulfate) on the plates flakes off and settles in chambers at the bottom of the battery. When these chambers are full the compound shorts out the plates and that it's over. One feature of the deep cycle batteries is deeper chambers to hold more crap. There are other differencing with the deep cycle batteries but this is a big one. The main issue with the lose of compound is reduced capacity which normally is OK.
Check out the Wikipedia page on lead acid batteries, it has quite a lot of useful details.
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A very creative solution, I've also found that PC powersupplies are very good high current sources.
Considering you don't use your car that often, a battery maintainer should keep yours safe from a full discharge. Sure, they cost about as much as a charger, but can be plugged to the 12V in-dash socket and will float or charge automatically as needed. I have one myself and it does a pretty good job.
Very nice write-up and great methodology! So, with a bit of care and attention, I could theoretically charge my 115ah sla with an atx supply?
I can't recommend anything like that as it's incredibly dangerous.
Why didn't you just use a 12v dc charger from any electrical charger like a router for instance . It pushes a couple amps and 12v ?
I thought that if you monitered the voltage regularly with a Digital Volt meter and it is lower than 12.6 or 12.7 volts you should be thinking about a new battery. On the other hand if you measure a satisfactory Voltage,the next morning the Battery could short out and be dead.
Keep reading! You're absolutely right. The method I used was only meant to give me enough juice to make it to the store to buy a new battery. It is by no means a permanent solution.
It's also dangerous as hell, so don't do it.
It's amusing to me really. You certainly did some serious over thinking there. Here's how to get a charge: Asprin. Yes, one crushed asprin in the water would give sufficient charge to start and then let idle for half an hour. Failing that, drain the battery, add hot water and a pinch of epsom salt into each cell. Chemistry trumps Electrical Engineering, I'm afraid.
Huh...I've never heard of that. I might have to start keeping some aspirin in my car...
you should have used -5V and +12V from the PC power supply. 17V would have done it without any diodes, capacitors,etc. Also ATX power sources are protected on short-circuit, in which case (higher amperage than nominal) a simple resistor would do the trick...., or with some more creativity a capacitor serialized on 220VAC ATX input. 😉
But hey, thumbs up for the effort 🙂
The negative rails on ATX supplies are mostly depreciated and most can supply less than an amp of current which would have been less than what I was doing with my solution. It could work, but more than likely, the power supply would just shutoff.
I could do it with a current limiting resistor, but I'd either need something fairly high power, or just be willing to wait a lot longer to get it to work. I don't normally stock high power resistors, but I could have made one out of a piece of pencil lead.
Good suggestions though. I didn't even think about the negative rail.
I was faced with a battery having only 1.8 volts after my car was not used for 5 weeks. A search on the web brought me here but I am from the KISS school.
The battery charger just did not want to know so, I borrowed someones car battery and with jump leads connected both batteries together. After a few minutes the voltage on the dead battery was up to around 6 volts and I was able to use the battery charger for the rest.
I just put aspirin into my battery along with Epsom salt and now the front right end of my car is missing. The fricken battery just melted and slowly took the metals and other plastics with it and I'm so scared right now I think I'll be making payments on a car that I don't think can be fixed cuz half the frame in melted 😐
IS IT SERIOUS? SORRY BUT I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING COS YOUR STORY IS VERY FUNNY.........hihihi
Even if you had not left the dome light on, most cars have enough phantom loss (clock, computer, alarm, etc) to go dead in 2-4 weeks. Since I park mine longer than that, I found the solution is a battery disconnect (any auto parts store should have them, about $10). When I park the vehicle, lock all the doors (can't do it once power is off) and remove the hand twist bolt and store it securely (do NOT lose it) and then close the hood and doors. I have come back many weeks later and battery is still able to start car. Batteries don't self-discharge very fast.
PS You are very lucky not to be blind or burned with sulfuric acid.
I must admit to having a lot of tools at my disposal because I am a farmer but the trouble you went through is mind boggling. I have had the same problem with cars, trucks and farm equipment many times and usually get at least another year or two after a full recharge. I know that living in the city you don't have space for lots of extra things so I partly understand why you went to such extreme lengths.
I have a few pieces of equipment that sit around for long periods of time and I do have a trickle or maintainer charger connected to them. The cost in very low., maybe thirty to forty dollars each. On the ones that do run down I either connect a regular charger to them or if I need it quick I just jump it. After a few hours of running the batteries usually hold charge again.
A battery maintainer does seem like a pretty good idea for you, so that you don't end up killing another $100 battery. Harbor freight has them for a *lot* less than $40 - currently they're on sale for $6.99, and regular price is only $15. Curiously, they have three different model numbers (#42292, #69594, and #69955) which all seem identical - including the prices.
These things are the epitome of simplicity. They're comprised of a wall wart (probably 16 volts or so), a little electronics module, and a couple of battery clips on a coily cord. Opening up the electronics module reveals a LM317 regulator wired so that it provides constant current (1 amp, supposedly) until the battery voltage rises to a preset value (probably around 14 volts). At that point it switches to a constant voltage source to maintain the battery at full charge.
This simple circuit actually works great (it's called a two-mode charger; three-mode chargers exist which deliberately overcharge the battery for a little while to "equalize" the cells, making sure they're all fully topped off). And for the price, it can't be beat. (I actually stole the clever little circuit to use in an embedded product I built - worked great there, too.)
Great blog - I look forward to the next episode!
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An electrical engineer who believes that a car battery is 12 volts! I stopped reading there. As my physics teacher said repeatedly, " a little bit of knowledge is dangerous".
Because that 0.6V really makes all the difference!
Thanks for the tip though. I always assumed they were 12. Either way, if that scares you, don't read the rest of the article. I broke a ...lot of rules.
Actually, a brand new car battery, fully charged, will read slightly more than 13 volts. As they age, their fully-charged voltage will become less and less. A car battery that only has a maximum charge of 12.6 volts is clearly several years old.
Never, ever assume - especially when working with cars. You can get yourself into hot water, even being an electrical engineer. There are vehicles with "positive earth". Stay safe!
If you bought the $40 battery charger, couldn't you just keep it as a high current power supply for some other project? There is a Harbor Freight version that can supposedly supply 55 amps in car start mode. Oh, and I have a couple of the really cheap Harbor Freight battery maintainers. They work fine. I ruined one because I wasn't aware of how delicate the wire is on the 120 volt side.
They can supply a lot of current, but only in the context of charging. A battery charger will start reducing current as soon as you reach optimal voltage. For $40, you can do better with some PC power supplies or even put it towards some nice purpose-built lab equipment.
Well, this didn't help me save my battery one bit, but certainly interesting to read. Glad you had fun!
Awesome article. i learn a lot from it to revive my batteries. Thanks
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Thanks for your creative way! Now I can recycle my permanently damaged car battery and replace it with a new one.
How ez batteries work?
Wow, you've done such a great solution. I've pin this post for using in one day that my car battery is dead. Thank you for sharing this.
Great post! Thanks so much for sharing such a experience!
All I do is get my car to a garage and have it repaired by a mechanic, but your post is still interesting to read, thanks for share!
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Thank you Gregory ! 🙂
One of the easiest ways to save my money when the battery is dying. Thanks for awesome post.
Great, you're like an automotive expert. Batteries need to be maintained, recharged after long periods of unused. Thank you for sharing this tutorial.
Maintenance car battery is an important thing to do occasionlly
Good article except I have seen V8 engine starters briefly draw over 1000 amps, a little more than you mentioned. You are a bold man to try what you did, be careful.
your idea is great and more necessary for all. thanks a lot for this best idea
This is the amazing guide, You did great.
In my opinion, there are so many reasons that causing the car battery dead and car battery corrosion is one of the most reason you should check first.
Here are some reasons:
1. Electrolyte Leaking Out to the Terminals
2. Overfilling the Battery
3. Overcharging of the Battery
4. The Hydrogen Gas
5. The Copper Clamps
You should know those reasons to avoid making your car battery dead.
Thank you so much for your share and have a nice day!
This is not electrical engineering. This is high comedy masquerading as electrical engineering. Bat shit crazy! Ridiculous! Hilarious jackass-level hijinks, like you just couldn't help yourself upping the ante of reckless experimentation. Please, never change. This is fantastic.
Yes, it can help to save money from your battery.
This is a useful guide about car battery. This job always seems very tough for me. Your ideas for every step are just awesome.
This is amazing article for me. Thank you so match to sharing your idea.
I tried this method with copmpletely DRY 12 V/7A batttery.(No liquid inside). Before trying I measured 0,46V from battery. Then I filled all cells with only distilled water(no acid used). Then remeasured: 0,34V. Next I tried to charge the battery by a China made recharger, but it is mcu controlled and did not charge. So I tried to charge it with an adaptor. But again no charge. Because there is only distilled water inside battery and distilled water is pure, no minerals inside, and it is a strong water-resistant. I think to start desulphate battery fiilling only with distilled water is not good idea. there must be an electric flow through poles, but it is impossible when using only distilled water
We can also try this way:
Take them to the recycling center and let them be re-manufactured.
And next time buy the right batteries for your application. You want re-chargeable batteries for your site radio that you use every day, and you portable lantern. Alkaline batteries for your smoke alarms, etc. Choosing the correct products from the outset will pay dividends further down the line.
It is possible to re-charge some types of non-rechargeable batteries, but to get decent results, you don’t want to go discharge them too much before re-charging. So really this isn’t the best solution.
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Interesting read and It's cool it's still turning up in search results after nearly a decade! I was trying to figure out if I could ressurect my car battery that went dead from sitting and what I learned from this post is that I just need to be patient. I have an old school trickle charger (so no circutry to keep it from turning on when connected to a very flat battery) and it's been drawing like 3 amps for 28 hours straight, finally dipping to about 2.8 amps by 36 hours. I know it goes to zero when the battery is full, so I assumed this meant I would have to give up, since it wasn't dropping hardly at all. But now I realize just exactly how much charge these suckers can take since you charged your battery at .9-1.5 amps for what sounds like 20ish hours and only got to 20% charge. So I might be up over 50% but still have a ways to go. I'll give it another 24 and see if I can get it back to health. I don't care if it's "permanently damaged" as long as it starts my tractor a few more times and I can put off a $150 purchase several more months, that would be great!
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I recently updated my Mustang's tires
, battery and added some new modifications. Thank you for sharing out this guide.